For some reason unknown to a technically challenged person like myself, this is most noticeable when shooting green vegetation. My two cents. I’m a Nikon shooter (vanilla D800), with a bunch of Nikon lenses, but no Otuses. I prefer the Nikon for product and architecture, because it seems to be more accurate under controlled light circumstances; the Canon does much better with landscapes. Not formal ones. The information loss in RAW is still there, but causes different perceptual issues to the 24MP 7II because resolution comes into play. Don’t forget to like us on Facebook and join the reader Flickr group! The Nikons can be reversed in all modes – both assignment and direction. And more importantly: if I can’t use a camera to do my normal work, anything I write is rather meaningless, isn’t it? absolutely. We all thought the DF was going to be a proper digital F2/3…instead it turned out to be a retro-geek exercise with bad function and poor form. Win a Canon EOS R at We review the Sony a7 III ( vs the Canon EOS R ( I was under the impression that ISO settings do not change the sensors sensitivity. Unlike other reviewers, I have a professional reputation as a photographer to maintain. Be inspired to take your photography further: Masterclass Chicago (27 Sep-2 Oct) and Masterclass Tokyo (9-14 Nov) now open for booking! And again, the 5DS R and 5D Mark III are so similar. Personally my fingers go the default Canon way, but I do know people who do the switcharound so that the front dial remains the one affecting aperture in both M and Av (they almost exclusively use those modes). Having run a 645Z/D810 combination for a while, I’ll say it’s worse than two same-manufacturer bodies – you can’t carry ALL lenses for both, and the weight penalty is significant, plus having a field backup becomes costly and heavy. the thing is…under the right circumstances i’ve heard this about iphone and point and shoot photos….which kind of turns the whole conversation on it’s head from a camera marketing POV. The rest of the time, I don’t see any clear advantage one way or another. Is it me or are the comments here decidedly more rational of late. The K7 inks and QuadToneRIP lay down 45% more ink in the highlights and thus should hold better detail there. A few times; no more frequently than with the D810 or D800E – if anything, less, because slightly more resolution means you won’t see aliasing til higher frequencies. Great review and detailed explanation. The D810 is linear. I’d try to rent one first if possible. (In your D810 review you stated that for D800E you “could use down to perhaps 1/focal length at best; everything else was 1/2x (borderline) or 1/3x + (consistently sharp)”, and that for D810 “without changing anything in the way I shoot, I’m finding myself with an extra half stop to full stop of shutter speed before I see camera shake creeping in”. It is a luxury beyond imagination that we may buy whatever we might think of would be better for this and that. Copyright © 2005 - 2020 PhotographyTalk, Inc. All Rights Reserved, Long-Term Review: The Canon EOS 5DS R is Still a Great Camera, Sony a7 II Review: A Camera That's Still Got It in 2020, Top 10 Computers Under $500: 2020 Gift Guide Deals, Use These Family Portrait Tips for Better Thanksgiving Photos, Check Out These Smokin' Black Friday Photography Deals, 3 GoPro Video Accessories You Need in Your Bag. My opinions that follow are going to appear initially conflicting and probably be misinterpreted by the fanboys, so I’m going to state this upfront: I really, really liked the camera. I am not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any of the comments in this thread – just reiterating Ming’s earlier question in the thread – “Why they don’t make a better effort at presenting their flagship, I don’t know”. I think I’ll wait until a few reviewers experience the pain first (assuming there’s still a problem). I don’t see anything wrong with that – best tool for the job. Thank you very much!! : ). It is clear to me that neither Nikon nor Canon can claim to be decidedly superior at the moment, each with their own strengths and weaknesses – much like their equivalent lens lineups. MT, Equipment in this post is available here from the site’s B&H and Amazon affiliates links – every bit helps! And the reason pro endorsement is useful is simply because that person is known for a certain level of work; to imply that they use camera X for that work is basically the same thing by association. Always look forward. I guess colors will always be a mystery to me. You think that the gauge is still film? Canon 5DSR, square crop, Canon 35mm f/1.4 L, f/9 at 1/320 at Auto ISO … As I understand it, neither Zeiss nor Canon will make their auto-focus interface available to Zeiss. Really? Between 0.5 and 1.5 stops, at ISO values below 400. your work will stand up either way. Since my glass investment is already F mount, it is with great sadness, I have to bid the 5DSR goodbye. Ming…as a D800e owner who still feels unsure to upgrade to the D810…and read your past D810/D800e reviews…was just curious if there was anything you like or like about the D800e over the newer D810?? It’s still just a small niche. Covered a bunch of interesting points. It has a cancelling filter (basically, it’s a D800e, not a D810). Beyond that, not only the difference does not increase (as per your statement), but they seem to become practically the same. Sadly, no. I don’t think we are many who haven’t had an affair with a system that is different and better in some fields than what our present system may muster. On the other hand, it’s fairly cheap (I bought mine for $220 including an adapter) so that can be forgiven. I’ll never make myself a servant to Cloud and arbitrary and constant changes. You may be on to something, at least to a certain extent and in certain circumstances. Tony & Chelsea Northrup 462,885 views 5:26 Canon 5DSR Hands-On Field Test (With Canon … So the Nikon gives you blisters once in a while, but don’t all marriages – even the good ones? Not a deal-breaker or a supplier switch trigger, anyways…. i suspect the reason questionable images get used is that (sadly) what you have noticed already is true: images don’t matter (at least in many cases). It isn’t that great in the corners even stopped down and unshifted. do not matter. Images and content copyright Ming Thein | 2012 onwards. Here is a different take on the subject … On the tail of your latest “rethink” article, it always seemed to me that the Canon was a bit like a mistress during a midlife crisis. Since I’ve been comparing the canon 5DS R to the 5D Mark III a lot throughout this article, I only thought it fair to show you a video test comparison of the two cameras. The 70-300L is a surprisingly good performer even wide open and even to the edges of the frame. But the fact is that there aren’t many reviews on the new Canon 5DSR available, targeted at long exposure photographers. If this listing says it’s in excellent condition, that’s exactly what you get! Even so, I can confirm much of what you have observed, including the lesser DR of the Canon. The left-hand of the camera hosts the power switch, menu and info buttons, while the right-hand of the camera hosts the major control points. and don’t normally print above 13×19. A camera remote, often called a remote trigger or wireless shutter release, is a device you typically use when you want to avoid camera shake during a long … I have tried the 645Z and really liked it although the lens offering isn’t strong enough, yet, compared to the Canon for my type of use in the prime under 50mm lenses. Each camera has his advantages and disadvantages. How do you think they will perform on the 50MP sensor fo the 5ds/r ? I wonder if this is a NSW thing. In my old work we used first Pentax then changed to Nikon back in the early 70’s , gave the cameras a real hiding and never had a problem. The 2/28 Distagon shows significant CA, fringing and all sorts of optical gremlins until f8 – after which we hit diffraction limits because of the camera’s pixel pitch anyway. Some button function combinations are just impossible: you cannot have AE lock on the shutter button in anything other than evaluative metering, for instance, and then spot metering point doesn’t follow your AF point. No, because you can also leave your integrity at the door. 5DsR still lags, true. I buy, use and evaluate cameras based on results: images. For example, you can set the top Main Dial to control the aperture setting (set for Av) and the rear Quick Control Dial to control shutter speed (set for Tv). Using the Custom Controls screen you can swap them for Manual mode at least (and the same functionality is in the 1D X, 5D3, and 7D2 at least). Although, I can’t say that it’s now perfect, I don’t experience it quite as often and nowhere near as severely as I did before (it was really bad with mid and very distant buildings with repeat patterns). So long as you are consistent and the final output looks the way you expect on multiple devices, and ideally, print, then you’re there. you also run into something which is central to much of photography: how much of the response to an image is due to the subject of the photo (an attractive and/or famous woman for example) /stunning tourist-y vista at magic hour vs the skill, talent of the shooter OR the brand/type of camera. , “The fear of loss is a path to the Dark Side.” A long-term review in 2017 perhaps. Perhaps it was the photographers the organizers hired. Then you can set the buttons to be consistent for two modes. since 2010 would have a high enough resolution to work well with the 5DS/5DSR… What am I missing? K – understood. BTW, I was wondering, in the case of the most “prolific” posters, what would be their ratio of “hours spent shooting” versus “hours spent posting on the net”… Well, Canon 5D sensor has been measured for 12.4, at ISO100. There should be no reason for posterizing due to lossy compression except the water in reality showed some very harsh contrast sun reflections, so perhaps it is something else? There is very little latitude for recovery, but at the same time, you don’t have to do very much work at all to the files if you get it right – the tones and colors somehow just look ‘right’. Everyone knows the Canon EOS 5Ds R is known for its huge megapixel count, but what else does the Canon 5Ds R have for a new, more tech-savvy audience? All I wanted to say is that the long held dear argument of Nikon (and Sony) fans claiming superiority over Canon sensors of a wider dynamic range is rather a minor aspect, when we look at the complete and greater scheme of things. There seems to be so many options and unfortunately not many of them can be tested where I am currently located so I would much appreciate any input if you have any. Sure you were seduced by her curves and how she felt in your hands, not to mention bigger … But you realized it was a mistake. For instance, extra resolution is incredible for sharp, detailed portraits. And actually it’s a love-hate relationship to both of the big makers. What I’m saying is that perhaps Canon and other manufacturers do not need skilled photographers to demonstrate whether or not their gear can deliver tack sharp, detailed images – the trouble with using technically adept photographers is that their results / findings may show up the camera’s shortcomings. The images shown and printed at the local Malaysian launch were equally disappointing; diffraction, CA and camera shake everywhere. But HDR doesn’t always work, for instance with long exposures or moving subjects (if it’s windy, for instance). In my case this starts with this crazy Photoshop subscription-mode. Pentax 645Z is amazing but the overall lack of lens choice (esp a high-quality 80mm) and slow 1/125 flash synch speed make it less than ideal in studio or location settings using flash, so I do not use it much and may sell it. Obviously I don’t know his testing methodology, but I just read a review [part one] by Ron Martinsen, a Canon shooter, and he says that the 5DS appears to be sharper than the 5DSR. The 2.8/35 is a superb lens that has a really beautiful rendering and conveniently, a 28mm equivalent FOV when shift-stitched vertically. (Also from Germany). 100% are not possible, but the better, is the good enemy! I am curious to see whether the new 42 MP model with the 5-axis image stabilization feature will resolve this issue. And if you want to compare DXO numbers only, even then it’s clear the 5DSR still lags. i would be scared to guess the ratio of cameras (including the ever more capable camera phones) sold per year as vs high res fine art prints. My point is that if I just could have rented the camera and the lenses, it would have been far more economical than making a big mistake by buying the damn things. I suspect Sony to do more than throwing away valuable RAW data and heavily cook their files. specs and selling gear are what it’s all about. Canon 5DSR B&H Amazon In other words, if you’ve got it, flaunt it. You have a need for coverage of focal lengths that far exceeds my own, but the themes of consolidation and rationalisation have been on my mind as I work to regroup with one system and the right native mount lenses. Have you ever considered to transport all of your photo gear via Fedex or UPS since the Airlines have excluded all risk of lost camera gear? Your site reminds me of a restaurant review book called “Where the Chefs eat” as it is dedicated to pros. Oh well. I give up something at the extremes of the performance envelope, but under those conditions I can probably stitch to close the gap. Somehow, the jump from 36 to 50MP magnifies the visibility of a lot of things: operator shake and critical focus/focal plane being the main ones. Nice to hear there is actually some substance to it, although I may still pass on it. The weather-sealing is incredible, so you’ll never need to worry about shooting in dust or snow. The only reason for you to get involved to review it as an alternative to the various Leica digital M’s for the use of M-Mount lenses. Thank you Ming. For my photography I want to maximize sharpness and NOT bokeh! Did you warm up a bit to the 40mm perspective? Metering in evaluative mode is unpredictable. But in the end, it just isn’t for me. Not a conclusion, but the next steps forward Canon EOS R Long Term Review In this series: Introducing the Canon EOS R City and Street Photography … Bottom line: the grass is always greener and all that…. Canon 5DS and 5DSR: Hands-On Review Just Announced in 60 Seconds: Canon 5DS, 5DS R, T6i, and T6s DLSR Cameras Introducing the Canon EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R The EOS 5DS DSLR Camera from Canon is the long … second body, full lens range) or a significant amount of weight and partial coverage of either system, neither of which is ideal. Battery life left a lot to be desired: I never saw more than 600 frames, and often more like 300. I think there are a few things going on here – one, the scene was pretty uniform; two, JPEG compression takes out some of the tonal differentiation and downsampling doesn’t help either; three, it may be a monitor calibration issue. The only questions are, which ones really matter? It won’t AE lock in spot meter regardless. Everything appears normal from this side. Hence the reason for me to always shoot manually and selecting my own exposure, as being part of the picture making process. You can get a used Canon 5DS R on MPB starting at $1,440. What you’re seeing is the great Sony 11+7 raw compression. That camera – and the D700 etc. Sorry, my mistake! No touch screen and no high resolution OLED. Maybe there is another single camera body option or a better combination option, I could dust off my RZ67 and get a back for it or would a Cambo, Hasselblad or Alpa be more suitable? Yet, If I read the graphics, the differences of around 1 to 1.5 stops are until ISO 320 or so. Granted, that’s still a good chunk of change, but for a camera with these specs and a starting price that was nearly $4,000, that’s not a bad deal at all! Canon released two new full frame cameras, the 5DS and 5DSR, in the last half of 2015. Great artistry together with excellent technical understanding and a willingness to teach. Better AF acquisition and tracking – only one of my lenses required fine tuning, and even then it was by a 1/20 amount at one end. What I’m saying is that perhaps Canon and other manufacturers do not need skilled photographers to demonstrate whether or not their gear can deliver tack sharp, detailed images – the trouble with using technically adept photographers is that their results / findings may show up the camera’s shortcomings. Or am I better of sticking with Nikon and just getting an F mount Otus? The things is, with OVF you see what the naked eye sees, but not what you will get. I could go either way for skin tones. And an attractive/pleasant (if technically unremarkable) image viewed at medium red can be produced by almost any camera (and many or even most photogs)….so other things have to be focused on (both literally and figuratively)….like specs and fun subjects…and saving some marketing cash along the way. Increasing the ISO. which still begs the question: if getting better shots for promo could be so easy (find a skilled shooter and give them free gear) why is it not done more consistently? I can quickly sum things up for you: the Canon … Interesting about the Nikon sensor being better for B&W. The Canon 5Ds R video performance isn’t anything spectacular, but it gets the job done. The Canon 5DSr is very, very good and I’m no longer considering jumping brands to Nikon as a result. Everything is fine now, thx , Flickr has on and off issues quite often, it seems – depends on whether their server in your part of the world is playing nice on a given day or not. You can swap main/rear dials in manual only but what would be the point of having confusing controls that are reversed for one mode only? If JPGs are sufficient, I’ll take the Fuji X T1 (meaning no post processing by computer). I am not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any of the comments in this thread – just reiterating Ming’s earlier question in the thread – “Why they don’t make a better effort at presenting their flagship, I don’t know…. By the way, I just discovered your site, and in a very short time I’ve grown to respect both your knowledge and your refreshingly honest review methods. These will be my closing thoughts on the Canon 5DSR, first reviewed here. Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or was all that green stuff really that similar in tone and hue? So even if it’s ‘just for a review’, images that get associated with you have to be of a sufficient standard, too. Use these photography marketing tools to improve ROI for your business in 2021 and beyond. Personally I much prefer the Zeiss approach…, Ming – “No amount of money can buy honesty. Note that I said pleasing not necessarily accurate. Maintaining an additional system for vanishingly small returns – and carrying it on assignment or during travel – is another challenge entirely. I don’t know, just saying… . Really, shutter shock exists – but you’ll rarely see it on an exposure long enough to warrant a tripod – due to the cumulative nature of the exposure. They are all very good photographs, and I really like your consistency in the colors. I’ve been wanting to upgrade my D800 for a while now (I print my images with an Epson 7900, with the bulk of the prints at 24×36 inches (single image), or larger (stitched panorama)), and have seriously considered switching to Canon and even Sony the past year (the D810 is tempting, but I feel like I’m so far into its life cycle that I might be better off waiting for its successor). Get all the details in this first impression guide to the Mac Mini M1. But so far I can live with that. Ok. The 5DSR has the highest resolution but visibly less distance is in critically sharp focus because the increased resolution also differentiates planes of critical focus more distinctly. Why should I do that when your conclusion is quite clear: if it wasn’t for logistics and the lens lineup, you would have switched to Canon, right? The problem is that I would love to fall in love with a system again but that system would probably not offer me sharpness from corner to corner which is an absolute necessity in a good majority of my jobs. Still need to try out my 500L or TS-E 17 on it. That’s interesting to hear — the vertical orientation and IS, that is. I get decent service because I know the guy who run the service centre here, but that’s about it. 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